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13 September 2009

Joe Satriani v. Coldplay ends in settlement.

Filed under: intellectual property, music, nerdingout — Andy @ 12:49 pm

Whenever Coldplay releases an album these days it starts a small wave of copyright litigation.  Last year’s Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends was no exception.  Last week, however, that docket got a little bit lighter, as the most prominent infringement case settled.  Joe Satriani, famed rock guitarist and founder of the G3 tours, claimed in a lawsuit back in December that the title track off of Viva La Vida infringed Satriani’s copyright in his 2004 track if “If I Could Fly.”  In essence, Satriani argues “Viva La Vida” copied his song without permission.  Here are both for comparison:


Joe Satriani – If I Could Fly


Coldplay – Viva La Vida

For a really ill-informed discussion of this case, check out the comments on the Satriani YouTube post.  For a more music-theory based discussion of their similarity, check out this excellent YouTube video from a guitar instructor in Canada.

On the music side of this (and largely care of the above posted video) here’s the rundown: Coldplay’s song is in a slightly swung rhythm at about 138 BPM, in the key of F minor doing a VI–VII–III–i (Dbmaj–Ebmaj–Abmaj–Fminor) progression.  Satriani’s song is also at about 138 BPM, roughly the same rhythm, and the chorus goes through a iv–VII-III-i progression in B minor (Em7–Amaj-Dmaj7–Bm).  At this most fundamental level, the only variants between the two are the key and the first chord of the progression – and the two different chords are actually quite similar.  The VI chord in the Coldplay is the relative major of the iv chord in the Satriani (which is to say if they were in the same key they’d share 2 out of the three notes in the chord).  In other words, the meter is the same, the chords are virtually identical, and where the chords vary they still are quite similar harmonically.  Now, this progression is just a progression, and as an old song from my band notes there’s a lot of songs that share the same three or four chords.  Nevertheless, it is a fairly unique progression, a fact which wouldn’t bode well for Coldplay.  There are many other elements to consider, but it does certainly lay a musical foundation for substantial similarity.

As for the legal analysis, it’s important to remember that the substantial similarity between these two would have to be either admitted by Coldplay or found at trial (Coldplay demanded a jury trial in their answer, so it would have gone to a jury to decide unless the evidence was so overwhelming as to lead a judge to direct a verdict on that point).  Absent such a finding or stipulation, I can’t say for sure whether the harmonic structure, meter, and rhythm alone would be legally sufficient.  Satriani would also have to prove that Coldplay had access to the work, but given how broadly Satriani is distributed and how broad Coldplay’s musical arms reach I don’t imagine this would be difficult.  Coldplay seems to have challenged this exact point in their Answer, however, arguing as an affirmative defense that these two songs were independent creations.  In other words, Coldplay did their song without ever hearing the Satriani song.  This was one of nine affirmative defenses in their Answer that Satriani would have had to get around, although some of the defenses look a little dubious. (Including “lack of originality” in the Satriani work, which either suggests that Satriani’s work does not have the requisite creativity, which is preposterous, or that Satriani forfeited copyright through 17 U.S.C. § 103(a) by using other copyrighted material without permission, which is highly unlikely.)

Whatever we think of Satriani, Coldplay, or the case in question, the answers to all these legal problems have left the realm of the courts.  The parties asked to settle the case in front of an arbiter in July, and last Wednesday the parties filed a joint stipulation for dismissal of the lawsuit.  Either Satriani was scared off or (more likely) the parties came to some form of settlement.  The question of whether Satriani would have won at trial is now left to speculation by the copyright nerds of the world.

If you’re still interested in the details of the case and up for some legal digging, this case is captioned Satriani v. Martin et al, and all of the filings are up on Justia.  In May, Cat Stevens (now Yusuf Islam) also claimed “Viva La Vida” infringed his original “Foreigner Suite” and threatened action, but about a month later he dropped the suit.

Update – 15 Sept, 8AM: Justia posted two more filings on the Satriani v. Martin docket yesterday, including an official order to dismiss the case with prejudice (meaning that Satriani may not file the case again).  Not too much to see here; I suspect someone will have to get in touch with the parties to hear the details of the settlement.

I also want to take a second to say hello to the folks over at Techdirt for mentioning my blog yesterday while covering this story. Many thanks!

Update 2 – 23 Sept, 10AM: I realize in the comments I was playing it a little fast and loose with the degree to which expert testimony would be admissible with respect to the infringement, so I want to clarify:

Independent origin is a total defense to copyright infringement.  If I were a monk in Nepal and I came up with a song identical to “Viva La Vida” without ever hearing Coldplay’s song to begin with, I could not be found to infringe Coldplay’s song.  However,  proving this degree of “copying” can be very difficult absent party or witness admission (“Yes, I saw Chris Martin at a Joe Satriani concert where he played ‘If I Could Fly.’  Chris had his tape recorder out.”).  Accordingly, courts allow expert testimony to show how unique elements may be used as circumstantial evidence of direct copying (“Given these unique factors, it’s highly unlikely that Chris Martin would have come up with this on his own were it not for hearing Satriani’s song.” combined with “‘If I Could Fly’ was a #1 on Top of the Pops for two weeks and it’s extremely likely that Chris heard it.”).   This is sometimes called the “access/striking similarity” inference of copying.

Proving “copying” is only half of the battle, however.  Satriani would also have to prove that he copied the elements in such a way as to be unlawful appropriation.  Not all copying is copyright infringement, after all, and his copying would have to go to the protectable elements of the expression, and not just the abstract ideas.  The courts have employed variety of techniques in finding this, but at the heart they all recognize this as being the province of the jury, and not the experts.  In other words, we play both and ask the jury to determine whether the copying done in the secondary work is “too much” of the original.  The term most often tossed around here is “substantial similarity,” which helps to illustrate to a degree.

An example might help illustrate: I really love the guitar work of Marc Ribot in Tom Waits’ Rain Dogs.  Were I to try and create that same over-driven Telecaster flamenco-infused soloing in my own song, I am “copying” Ribot but my copying is not so substantial as to be infringement (I think.).  However, as I start to appropriate more – say the notes of the solo or the lyrics of the song or even the chord changes and tempo – this might start to feel more like infringement.

Were Ribot to sue me, he would first either have to prove that I copied his work (I think this blog post might be a good piece of evidence to start with) or prove through circumstantial evidence that I had access and through expert witnesses that the songs are so strikingly similar that I could not have come up with it without copying, and then persuade the jury that my copying was so substantial that it interferes with his monopoly conferred by copyright.  Market harm or other data may be introduced as evidence here to help draw inferences, but ultimately it is for the jury, and not experts, to decide.

So, to artificially draw up some parameters here as a court might, the evidence above about chord structure and melody would go to the “access/striking similarity” inference of copying, and is best paired with some other evidence as to the popularity of “If I Could Fly.”  (SoundScan has Is There Love in Space?, the album containing this song, as selling around 90,000 copies worldwide, for what it’s worth.)  All of this goes to the question of “copying.”  To take this copying into the realm of infringement, however, requires a juror (say, you) to listen to both and determine whether the copying is so substantial as to constitute infringement.  Naturally, this is subject to dispute.

12 Comments »

  1. So, has a case like this ever made it into court? How the heck would you prove this to a jury? The comparison of the meter and chord progression is compelling, but I have quite a bit of music experience and I don’t know enough music theory to argue about the similarities between a Dbmaj and Em7 relative to the songs’ respective keys. Would the jury deliberation devolve into listening to the two songs over and over and deciding whether they sound “similar enough”? Similar enough seems like a pretty dangerous legal precedent in the world of music.

    Of course, the various rock musicians of the world could probably form a class and succeed against Coldplay for ripping off the entire genre and general crimes against humanity.

    Comment by Jeremy — 13 September 2009 @ 5:08 pm | Reply

    • The most famous case I can think of along these lines would be Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music, 420 F. Supp. 177 (S.D.N.Y. 1976), wherein the writer of “He’s So Fine” by the Chiffons sued (and won against) George Harrison for his “My Sweet Lord.” In that case expert testimony came in from musicologists and music historians to plot out the similarities and differences between the two. I found a nice UCLA web site that lays it out:

      http://cip.law.ucla.edu/cases/case_brightharrisongs.html

      I don’t think we’d expect (or truly want) a lay jury to decide copying absent some expert testimony. Music is a complicated thing, contrary to what some believe, and we should treat it as we would any other refined structural system.

      I like the general crimes against humanity argument, though. I wonder if we could certify “true music fans” as a class to make an action for emotional distress?

      Okay, that’s enough nerding for now.

      Comment by Andy — 13 September 2009 @ 5:18 pm | Reply

  2. Hmm, established rock god and teacher of so many other guitar virtuosos with a 30 year reign of originality and a contribution to music to rival some of the best that has ever been versus luke warm watered down rock for the middle class ikea consumer who names his children after fruit…… No surprise on the settlement i think. And lets all look forward to watching satan himself rape martin day after day in the eternity of hell for his imposter crimes against rock.

    Comment by Steve — 18 September 2009 @ 7:46 pm | Reply

  3. Interesting. I have to disagree with the assertion that the four chord progression (with either opening chord) is ‘fairly unique’, being as it is only the slightest step away from VI-VII-V-I, a much used pop formulation (e.g. Dilemma, Never Gonna Give You Up, Being Boring to name but three).

    It seems inexplicable that the use of four or five consecutive notes a few times in a verse and the last line of a chorus could be considered theft in this well-trodden context, particularly as the hooks of VLV lie elsewhere (the opening string motif and the woah-oh-oh chant being prime contenders – the live version demonstrates this pretty well).

    One can only conclude that Satriani saw some cheap and easy publicity ripe for the taking, with the added kudos of being widely viewed as the plagiarized (‘the serious rock muso’) and not the plagiarizer (‘the knowingly commercial pop/rock combo’); no smoke without fire and all that. A lucrative business decision, perhaps, but more cynical and calculated than any Coldplay song yet written.

    Comment by Mark Northfield — 19 September 2009 @ 9:07 am | Reply

    • I’m with you up to a point, Mark. I agree that progressions are just progressions – though we also here have tempo, rhythm, and the fact that both are in a minor key (the last point being a small one, but relevant). I see the argument reduced down to just the progression all over the place online, and it’s really much more than that. As the video I linked to above notes the progression is just one piece in the puzzle, and all pieces matter. From a legal perspective, were this to go to trial, the sides would have brought in experts and it would be up to a jury to decide whether or not they found that the two were “substantially similar.” Your translating the progression into a major key and comparing to other popular songs would have helped make Coldplay’s case, but Satriani would have put up experts of his own, and in the end the jury would decide which they found more convincing.

      As for whether this is similar in lay musical terms, that’s up for us to debate (as I’m sure we all will, for some time). I’m not sure what you mean by the “four or five consecutive notes” argument, but I think the crux Satriani’s argument lay elsewhere, namely in the fact that similarities noted above. We will never know for sure what they would have argued, as the trial did not get far enough for them to make their arguments.

      And I really disagree with your end conclusion. Satriani is one of the most respected rock guitarists in the world. When I was growing up I subscribed to Guitar World, and I recall countless issues featuring him on the cover or in the articles. I don’t think he was power hungry, or trying to induce bad will towards Coldplay, and I’m sure he knew that bringing a lawsuit would put the spotlight on him in a negative way as well. In my experience, musicians don’t do that to other musicians unless they have good reason. I also disagree with the premise of your conclusion: that I or anyone else thinks that this was a calculated move by Coldplay. Were it true that Coldplay “took” the riff from Satriani (be it enough to be copyright infringement or not), I think it’s much more likely that Coldplay heard the song, forgot about it, started writing Viva La Vida, and in their subconscious hearkened back to the song. As a musician yourself I’m sure you’re familiar with this situation. It happens to all of us.

      Comment by Andy — 19 September 2009 @ 10:36 am | Reply

  4. Hi. Many thanks for taking the time to reply to me. Apologies if I ramble a little in return…

    I fully take your point about it being more than just the progression. Clearly the tempo/rhythm is similar (even if VLV accents every beat of the bar, unlike IICF), but the melodies diverge after 2 bars (which is what I meant by the four or five notes) even while the chords continue to run in parallel. The similar pop progression I mentioned as an example was intended to be a minor key one, though I realise in retrospect that two of my quoted examples were major key songs. Agh! (So they have IV-V-III-VI: the same basic pattern.)

    Whilst I’m no expert in these matters (as the above mistake proves) I can’t help but think that attempting to claim copyright over so few notes is just a little bizarre, even if there are other musical similarities present. The fact that it’s not the hook in VLV would probably be highly relevant to a court case.

    Yes, Satriani is a well-respected guitarist (and rightly so – he’s bloody good at it), but everyone is capable of doing stupid things in their lives, sometimes for money. Maybe he simply followed some bad advice here, I dunno; I’d like to think that that’s all it was. Reading commentary elsewhere on the internet it’s clear there are many people who agree with him, and that this whole saga merely proves how shallow and talentless Coldplay are…

    As it happens, I actually quite like Coldplay (particularly their last album) as a piano-led pop band who happen to use guitars. But, to defend my earlier point, pop music (with or without guitars) is necessarily calculated and a little bit cynical: it nearly always has to make an effort not to do anything too unexpected in order to maintain its ‘pop’ status. That doesn’t mean it has no heart, of course, and there is often great beauty in simplicity. Nor does it mean the writers are plagiarists, though it will frequently appear as if they are.

    There are those who despise pop music exactly because of this limitation, and any battle between a pop act and a rock act ends up being about the worth of one over the other, almost regardless of the details of the case. One can hope a jury would be neutral, but who knows what musical prejudices lie hidden?

    Perhaps Satriani has fallen into the trap of thinking himself more important because he’s a ‘proper’ rock artist? He’s quoted as saying: ‘I’m just doing what I need to do as an artist, to protect what’s mine, to protect those feelings I put down in song’ and that hearing VLV was ‘…like a dagger went right through my heart. It hurt so much.’ I think this stretches credulity rather, and given the publicity the case inevitably generated (you can hardly sue Coldplay in secret) why should we take his protestations at face value? Because he’s a serious rock musician? Hmmmm. Call me cynical… ;)

    Anyway, I’ll shut up now, and go back to my own unwitting creative theft!

    Best wishes.

    Mark

    Comment by Mark Northfield — 21 September 2009 @ 12:24 pm | Reply

    • @ “Mark Northfield” -
      Give it up, Man. If Coldplay ‘had’ a case there’s know way they’d have settled and not only compromised their “rightful” intellectual property and reputation, but will have ‘paid’ someone else for that privilege. That ‘Satch’ did, IMO shows that he wasn’t just in it for the (unneeded) publicity or money, but to claim his rightful property; that you’d even consider that as being his position really shows your complete ignorance re: what a “true” musician is.

      Fact is, Martin/Coldplay stated; “If there are any similarities between our two pieces of music, they are entirely coincidental and just as surprising to us as to him.” – anyone with more than two functioning brain cells recognizes that statement is complete and utter BS, with the settlement bearing it out.

      Face it, your pop ‘hero’ is not only a liar, but a thief who either thinks his fans and the musical community were too ignorant to catch him or lack the intellectual honesty to care. I wonder in which category someone as (ahem) intellectual as you attempt to express yourself falls. Hmmmmm…

      Catch you on the da flip side!
      dp

      Comment by dparks — 10 October 2009 @ 9:47 pm | Reply

      • …Or maybe Coldplay settled because they didn’t want the hassle of an unnecessary court case, and it’s not like they’re short of a few quid? I think Martin’s comment about any similarities being purely coincidental is entirely plausible, given the brevity of what’s involved. I’ve once or twice in my life written things only to discover a similarity later on with something else that I’d previously not heard. Major and minor scales have their limitations.

        One would hope that a major label’s lawyers would have flagged up any possible issues before something gets released, but I guess they’re simply not that efficient.

        Guess we’ll just have to disagree on this one. :)

        I should like to add that I’m no intellectual. However, I am a working musician and have been for quite a while. I’ve even released some of my stuff in recent years so you can Google me if you want proof… It’s not very rock n roll though!

        Best wishes.

        Mark

        Comment by Mark Northfield — 12 October 2009 @ 11:59 am

  5. I toured for about 20 years as a guitar technician and worked for dozens of bands in that time, and it doesnt take long when your couped up on a tour bus for months on end for you to see what kind of person someone “really is”. I have worked with good people and bad and like I will tell anyone willing to listen I had the priveledge of touring with Joe Satriani for about three years and I can say one thing about him that I can not say about any other artist I toured with, he is a guy that in three years I never heard raise his voice or have a bad thing to say about anyone even when the situation was bleak after talking with Joe you would feel more at ease and know that everything would work itself out. He is a guy that I still have the utmost respect for and in my opinion is a way cooler person than he is a good guitar player! although I havent spoken to him in years I am sure that he felt he had good reason to make this move!

    Comment by Chrispy — 6 October 2009 @ 4:23 pm | Reply

  6. These two songs have a similar (but not the same) hook. Total duration of those parts of the two songs which have ANY SIMILARITY WHATSOEVER: 14 seconds.

    And there are other songs out there using the same (or similar) riffs. For example, Cat Steven’s song “Foreigner Suite”, which, at its 14:20 timestamp, contains the riff from Satriani’s song, VERBATIM, to the words “I’ve met many other girls, but heaven must have programmed you”. (And Cat Stevens wrote his song 11 years earlier!) I’m sure you can find other songs using this same riff as well.

    Riffs stick in musicians’ heads and end up being reused, subconsciously. It is plagiarism? No. It’s the development BETWEEN repetitions of a riff that make a song. The three songs in question (“Viva La Vida”, “If I Could Fly”, and “Foreigner Suite”) have very DIFFERENT development between riffs. Three very different songs. No plagiarism involved. (I must say, I do like all three of these songs.)

    If Coldplay did settle out of court with Satriani, I think it was a spectacularly stupid move on Coldplay’s part. They should have taken it to court. With the small amount of similarity present, Satriani would have lost, and Coldplay would have been vindicated. As it is, Coldplay will now be assumed by the public have confessed to plagiarism (even though they are clearly innocent), and I’m guessing any settlement would involve Satriani getting some of the royalties (which promotes extortion via lawsuit). A lose-lose-lose-lose-lose situation for all. Fighting for one’s rights is nearly always better than giving them away.

    Comment by Robbie Hatley — 22 October 2009 @ 11:23 pm | Reply

  7. 14 seconds you say? Yes but those 14 seconds are the hook. That melody is the essence of the song…the part that sticks in your head, and makes you hum along after you’ve heard it. I think Satch had a decent enough case. I suppose even if he didn’t, it was in Coldplay’s best interests to quiet things down as quickly as possible to limit any further PR damage. I’m sure some money exchanged hands…it’s how the world works.

    Comment by S. Denson — 9 November 2009 @ 11:55 pm | Reply

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